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    Republicans Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads'
    Posted on Thursday, January 08 @ 10:10:57 EST
    By Dave Lindorff, CounterPunch

    You can tell that the Republican Party is more worried than it lets on about the upcoming November election. The shrill attack on the MoveOn.org organization, which the Republican National Committee is accusing--incorrectly and dishonestly--of endorsing two sample political ads which draw comparisons between Hitler and George Bush, demonstrates how much the Bush brain trust fears this remarkably successful populist internet-based organization.

    The two ads were actually among some 1000 that were submitted as part of a contest established by MoveOn to come up with strong ads for the 2004 Democratic campaign. They, along with over 1000 others, were submitted to Move.On for consideration. The organization put them all on its website and allowed members to vote for the best. A group of 15 30-second submissions which received the most votes were then posted as finalists.

    Neither of the controversial Hitler/Bush ads made that cut, but the RNC went ahead and issued press releases, as well as sending RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie rushing over to Fox TV, to denounce MoveOn for presumably insulting Bush and American Jews.



    MoveOn's Eli Pariser has responded to this GOP assault explaining that clearly the organization never endorsed those ads, and that its membership obviously rejected them. Further, he says MoveOn "regrets the appearance" of the two ads on the MoveOn website, where they were briefly available for viewing along with all the other submissions initially (they've been removed now). Interestingly, now that those ads have been pulled by MoveOn, the only place the scripts can be read is on the RNC website (http://www.rnc.org/moveonvideo.htm).

    But Pariser shouldn't be so quick to express his regrets. The truth is that the two ads are pretty darned good. The first shows Hitler in a parade and speaking, followed by scenes of German troops attacking, planes bombing, tanks firing, and victorious troops goose-stepping into occupied territory, as a voiceover says "A nation warped by lies--lies fuel fear--fear fuels aggression--invasion--occupation." As the scene fades from Hitler giving a raised arm salute to Bush with his hand raised at his inauguration, the voiceover says, "What were war crimes in 1945 is foreign policy in 2003."

    And the truth: The Bush administration deliberately stoked public fears after 9/11--just as the Nazi's used the Reichstag Fire--to win support for an illegal, unprovoked invasion of Iraq, an act of aggression which, at the Nuremberg Trials, was specifically determined to be a war crime. The ad might have added that the "shock and awe" terror campaign that was the centerpiece of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, was also by definition a war crime, since its target was the Iraqi public.

    As for the second controversial ad, it features first a picture of Hitler, speaking in German, with a voiceover translating the lines as "We have taken new measures to protect our homelandSI believe I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." Then, as Hitler continues to speak, the voiceover says, "God told me to strike Al-Qaeda, and I struck him." As the picture morphs into George Bush, the voiceover continues, "Sand then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did." With a picture of cheering Germans in the background, the voiceover concludes, "Sound familiar?"

    And the truth here? President Bush did in fact publicly claim divine instruction to have been behind his decisions to invade Afghanistan and later Iraq--a rather scary example, if he is being sincere, of the very kind of megalomania that characterized Hitler.

    Were these two ads unfair to either Bush or to the memory of the Holocaust? Hardly.

    They were legitimate warnings that the American public is being manipulated by demagoguery, jingoism and the worst kind of lies.

    Are they saying that Bush is Hitler? Only to the most simplistic or willfully unimaginative of viewers--that is to say the RNC poobahs. What they are saying is that the same technique used by Hitler and his National Socialist brownshirts to whip up nationalist fervor in Germany in the early and mid 1930s is being employed today by the Bush Administration and the Republican Party, and to the same end--to get the American public to acquiesce in surrendering its democratic rights, to accept one-party rule, and to agree to a national policy of permanent war in the name of American global hegemony.

    Obviously the MoveOn crowd was repelled by the bluntness of the two ads, and rejected them, but Pariser needn't apologize for inspiring their creation.

    Both, in their way, are sadly prophetic.

    Pariser and MoveOn should be proud that they were produced, happy that the RNC is helping to circulate them, and encouraged that the Republicans are making such a fuss about the whole thing.

    Dave Lindorff is the author of Killing Time: an Investigation into the Death Row Case of Mumia Abu-Jamal. A collection of Lindorff's stories can be found here: http://www.nwuphilly.org/dave.html

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by helios on Thursday, January 08 @ 10:20:53 EST
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    The truth hurts , doesn't it ? RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie wouldn't want anybody to get the right idea about his fascist party , now , would he ?

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by peglyn61 on Thursday, January 08 @ 10:23:41 EST
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    2 phrases come to mind: "If the shoe fits", and "Me thinks they doth protest too much".

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn (Score: 1)
    by xdbx on Thursday, January 08 @ 10:58:11 EST
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    Never apologize for the truth.

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by carlyle2 on Thursday, January 08 @ 11:05:25 EST
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    you can bet your boots that moveon.org is encouraged. the truth is self-evident and pariser did exactly the right thing - apologized and, one hopes, planned to do it again. some friends told me that the ad had gone too far, and that they were shocked (shocked!). i told them to think again - the ad has not gone too far, it's spot on. spread the word, chimpsters! don't let america turn into the third reich!!!

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by AntiSpin on Thursday, January 08 @ 11:09:02 EST
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    I think that MoveOn.org could have turned this back on the Repugs, but they missed their chance. Here's the email I sent them.
    * * * * *
    Unfortunately, in my opinion your press release will serve only to keep this issue alive, and you on the hot seat.

    The way to deal with a problem like this is not to go through all the verbiage of "none of these was our ad, nor did their appearance constitute endorsement . . .etc"

    That kind of wordy response just gives the Repugs more to quibble about, and to attack, and makes you look defensive.

    Here's what I would have written:

    * * * * *
    "Two ads rejected by Moveon.org were brought back to life yesterday by the Republicans, who claimed falsely that a resemblance between George W. Bush and Adolph Hitler is being promoted by us.

    If the Republicans want to go on publicizing the alleged resemblance between Bush and Hitler, that's their business. Frankly, we would never think of doing so, and that's why we rejected those two ads."

    That's how to handle sleazy attacks like this. Turn it back on them. Use "political judo."

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn (Score: 1)
    by LouLost (secretboyfriend@thefirsttwins.com) on Thursday, January 08 @ 11:13:58 EST
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    If you want to talk about onerous comparisons, how about Grover Norquist telling Terry Gross that the estate tax is the moral equivilent of the Holocaust on "Fresh Air?"

    See Richard Cohen's op-ed in the WP earlier this week.

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by BajanMan on Thursday, January 08 @ 11:54:23 EST
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    But Pariser shouldn't be so quick to express his regrets. The truth is that the two ads are pretty darned good.


    I agree totally. Don't be cowed.

    I saw the 'Moveon.org' ads comparing Bush to Hitler, and think they're brilliant, and powerful in showing the parallels- even in a 30s span.

    However, I also figured they'd be denounced as 'hate speech' because:

    a) the average dimwit, PR-pussified American consuming sheep doesn't know German history, far less his or her own.

    So doesn't know the parallels - e.g. of the Reichstag fire to 9-11, or repealing the 'Seven Freedoms' to the 'Patriot Acts', or invading Poland (in 1939 - using the pretext of 'preventive war' to invading Iraq)

    b) The average American - especially many younger ones - are too caught up and ensnared in PR & consumption to see how their own brains-minds are programmed by the manipulators.

    Not only to censor their own thoughts, but to come after the rest of us as well - acting as zombie surrogates for the PR purveyors.

    Of course, what iced the Moveon.org ad rejection here was the intervention of Jewish groups like the ADL etc. where they really had NO business. The ads were not about them, or anything to do with them or denying the holocaust, they were comparing Bush to Hitler.

    By complaining about any ad or display, or protest the interject Hitler, they're basically censoring anything with Hitler on that basis alone. Hence - exlcuding it from viable protest speech.

    This hurts their own cause - since it (in the end) makes people less liable to see the course of history repeating- e.g. with any number of "new Hitlers".

    The Jewish groups did the same thing here in Colo. a couple months ago, when 2 HS students- protesting the forced pledge of allegiance (every Colo. student must say it under a state legislature edict) did a fake 'Seig Heil' in front of the school one day.

    A very apt demo - non-violent - but the Jewish groups entered in, obfuscating the issues - merely because the students evoked the same fascist elements from Hitler's Germany. (Which - obivously - have the greatest, most effective impact and statement potential).

    But this shows the extent to which vigorous demonstration is now inveighed against - taking away large dimensions of the right to free speech.

    Before you know it, they will be outlawing even protest signs that are the least bit negative - calling them 'terorist' or some stupid fucking thing.

    A real tragedy in how this nation has descended to the pits of infantilism. But most of us could see it coming for years, as the consumer ethic gradually eroded and then replaced the citizen ethic. Replacing adult speech (which must include so called passionate polemic) with infantile "speech" emblazoned under the banner of the "mindless happy".


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      Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
      by DrLaniac on Friday, January 09 @ 00:47:16 EST
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      quote: Before you know it, they will be outlawing even protest signs that are the least bit negative - calling them 'terorist' or some stupid fucking thing.

      Yup, they're working on it. From the "Free Speech Zones" to the gestapo tactics (whoops, am I gonna get in trouble for that?) against protesters at the FTAA meeting in Miami, political speech that's not sufficiently right-wing is being outlawed.

      The Miami Model: homeland security targets political protest.

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by hmmrhd (goaway@leavemealone.com) on Thursday, January 08 @ 12:05:13 EST
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    Ya, but here's a problem: The ads were spot on. Bush is the intentional and political heir to Hitler. His grand-dad made a fortune by working Jews and other undesireables to death in Silesia starting in 1939 and going on as late as 1942, when he was threatened with prosecution under the Trading with the Enemy act. The whole "war on terror" could have been taken out of Hitler's play book. It is unfortunate that Americans are generally too blind and cowardly to openly recognize and discuss it.

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by ChimpChips on Thursday, January 08 @ 12:07:04 EST
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    I just do not understand what it happening in America any more.

    The fascists keep handing any reasonable thinking human bean so much material that said human bean should be able to hammer the fascists and/or their ideologies and/or their plans and/or their deceitfulness and/or their sloppiness until said person's arms are so weak that lifting the next fascist press release is a burden.

    But no that don't happen as the "middle of the road" liberalism kicks in and scurry, scurry, sorry, sorry and we will try to do better next time.

    ChimpChips {the election my ass}

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by RoseQuartz on Thursday, January 08 @ 12:19:16 EST
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    I don't think these ads are offensive. I think they raise important issues about the fascist tendencies of this administration.

    Fear, propaganda, one-party rule, the assault of civil liberties, these are the things that this administration has in common with the Third Reich.

    Pre-emption was a Nazi policy used to justify the invasion of Poland. Poland was not a threat and neither was Iraq. The lack of WMD is absolutely conclusive. The lie of "Iraqi Liberation" equals any big lie of the Third Reich. The lie of Iraq and 9/11 is also in the same league of lies.

    Iraqis are rounded up in the middle of the night and sent to the same prisions where Sadam put them, never to be heard. American citizens are put in jail under the same conditions. Today it's terrorists, how long before the dissenters are jailed? Patriot Act II is enacted behind closed doors with no national debate. Is this the behavior of a democracy or a fascist government?

    MoveOn should not apologize. I think it is important that the public understand where the Bushites are leading us. Social Mass Denial contributed to the eventual destruction of Germany.

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn (Score: 1)
    by Citizen_X on Thursday, January 08 @ 12:25:52 EST
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    "Typical of the East Coast-intellectual academic-homosexual loving-liberal media elite! We should put copies of all these videos, and all the books by the elitists, together into a big pile and BURN them! That'll teach 'em to compare us to Nazis!"

    I'm glad they made a big to-do about this. It gets the comparison bouncing around there in the noosphere: "Hmmm...Bush...Hitler...Bush...you know, there are some parallels there..." Thanks, wingnuts!

    On another tack, wouldn't it be great if some right-wing equivalent ("BringEmOn.org"?) did a similar contest? Imagine the rat's nest of loony-tune ideas that would emerge: "God is leading George Bush to victory in the Final Battle against Satan, and libruls are standing in His way" "Bill Clinton had Vince Foster murdered, and Hillary helped cover up the crime against her secret lover!" (you know that half of 'em would be obsessing about the Clintons) "the UN has 50,000 guillotines stored in a warehouse in New Orleans, ready for use against American patriots" (I actually HEARD that last one on a wingnut radio show once! Some preacher broadcasting from Roswell, NM--must be the Alien influence.)

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by regular_joe3_0 (veryPissedOff@theChimp) on Thursday, January 08 @ 13:44:37 EST
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    Sadly, the moveon.org commercials comparing Smirk to Hitler are closer to the truth than a professional liar like RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie would ever admit. Instinctively, he employed a standard wingnut debating technique called Homer-the-Trollism, i.e. accusing your opponents of bigotry for merely noting your far-fetched, divisive, and perhaps racist tactics and platform.

    The modern Republican party has become a kinder, gentler version of their ideological founding fathers, the NAZIs. The fact that Smirk used the same basic tactics to start his war that Hitler used to start World War II is manifest to all but the most obstinate and self-deluded Smirk apologists (like Gillespie). But, as the designated Smirk apologist on the scene, it was Gillespie's job to control the damage and, quite naturally, he's willing to use every trick in the book to prevent the public from reaching to obvious conclusion that Smirk is a lot closer to Hitler than most American's would like to think.

    Of course, to the far-right wingnuts that Smirk must placate on a daily basis just to keep his job, Hitler is considered a moderate.

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by grantly on Thursday, January 08 @ 15:29:07 EST
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    I'm not so sure the comparison of Bush and Hitler is entirely fair. At least the Germans got the autobahn and the world got the Volkwagen to show for their troubles. What's Bush's legacy to the world going to be?

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn (Score: 1)
    by metaform3d on Thursday, January 08 @ 15:43:50 EST
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    Wingnuts like Coulter, Rush or Savage never apologize for -- let alone acknowledge -- the blantant offensiveness of their remarks. Instead they scream "free speach" and hide behind their statements being "only an opinion" and "for entertainment purposes only." I never see the RNC wringing their hands over that.

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by Auntiecyn on Thursday, January 08 @ 15:49:45 EST
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    Unfortunately you can't un-apologize. When I first heard about this I jumped for joy. Move-on has arrived. Yes, they are a force to be reckoned with. It was dumb of the RNC to call them to the attention of even more people but it may have been a good thing to apologize. One more day of free publicity. Let's discuss the organization for a few more days.

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by nemo on Thursday, January 08 @ 16:06:52 EST
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    A little math is in order:

    We are told, over and over and over again, 6 million Jews perished. But 30 million died in the European Theater, alone. Seems like it's politically convenient to forget Hitler's goons had been killing mental patients, gays, trade unionists, Gypsies, Commies, Socialists, and just about anybody who stood up to his thugs long before he began the 'Final Solution'; The Wannsee Protocol wasn't initiated until 1942. The murder of mental patients began almost as soon as Hitler came to power.

    Nobody seems to remember that...or those other victims. Were their murders any less notable? Was their slaughter any less morally repugnant?

    But one-fifth to one eighth of Hitler's victims get 100% of the attention...as if they were the only ones to suffer Nazi savagery.

    Now, flash forward to 1967, and the USS Liberty. The Israelis, with a viciousness worthy of a Nazi blitzkreig, attacked a clearly marked US Naval vessel in international waters, machine gunning the survivors of their first attack and followed it up with one more.

    Israel has never provided a credible explanation for that.

    Sorry, but as far as I am concerned, it's long past time to face the facts; Israeli gunboats and aircraft behaved as dastardly as any Nazi Kriegsmarine or Luftwaffe force would have.

    Towards the military personnel of the nation largely responsble for Israel's continued existence, sending them 15 Billion dollars last year...and at a time when US taxpayers, down on their luck courtesy of Herr Busch's Korporate Krook friends sinking the economy, are told by that same overly generous government that there was no money to fund continued unemployment benefit payments.

    Maybe the rumors about the Mossad having dirt on Georgie are true, after all. What else could explain this gross favoritism towards another nation at the expense of our own citizens?

    And to those who are right now filling their lungs to deliver a reflexive, knee-jerk "Anti-Semite!" blast of bile, please note: I mentioned nothing about religion, only governments. Let some fool enter the arena dragging that rotten, stinking dead horse along behind them, as I refuse to be gulled by this nonsense anymore.

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by LiberalinIdaho on Thursday, January 08 @ 17:08:04 EST
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    Well this is a HOT topic today on the right winger air waves especially here in the reddest of red states. No one can stand that the evil left wing radical rabble at MoveOn.org are attacking Saint George.

    But I got this tongue in cheek letter to the Editor published in the Boise Idaho Statesman newspaper today:

    Bush and Hitler

    Itīs absurd to compare Bush to Hitler. I mean, Hitler used the burning of the German parliament building to declare a “war on terrorism.”

    He wasn’t even elected to office. He didn’t win a majority of the vote and was installed in office anyway. After the terrorist attack, Hitler railroaded his legislature into signing a decree that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy and habeas corpus.

    After that, the German police could intercept mail, wiretap phones; imprison suspects without charges and sneak into people’s homes without warrants. I totally fail to see the comparison to President Bush.

    Hitler was really an evil man. He had total control of the radio and the newspapers. Hitler’s people were told only positive things about him and his government. He didnīt allow any criticism of his policies and if anyone tried to say something negative, they were called an unpatriotic traitor. That could never happen in America with President Bush.

    Hitler even gave his political supporters in German industry lucrative government contracts to build detention camps and military installations. Mr. Bush would never do something like that either. The people who are comparing Bush to Hitler just need to get their facts straight.

    I'm sure the sarcasm will be lost on the dimmer Repugs...

    I personally think the controversy is great publicity for MoveOn's add campaign and I also think apologies are unnecessary.




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      Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn (Score: 1)
      by blitz1 on Thursday, January 08 @ 18:22:55 EST
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      You are an educated, well-informed and very articulate person. Great comments!

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      Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn (Score: 1)
      by unweird on Thursday, January 08 @ 23:22:07 EST
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      Nice job, here's the link:
      http://www.idahostatesman.com/Opinion/letters/story.asp?ID=57916&S=137

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by leftofcentered on Thursday, January 08 @ 17:50:58 EST
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    Substantively speaking, Ed Gillespie's reflexive yelping amounts to nothing more than so much dishonest, simpering cowardice. Truth is, Bush's neocon puppet masters and RNC hacks represent a revolutionary force incapable of countenancing even the slightest element of public dissent.

    Sadly and for the foreseeable future, their complete monopoly of the corporate media landscape affords them the ability to open up a whole can of clusterfuckery on virtually anyone who dares speak out against them, whether in poor taste or not. This also makes it extraordinarily difficult for anyone being subjected to such a barrage to avoid the temptation to seek the cover of an apology, warranted or not.

    I really feel for Pariser, Boyd and the rest at MoveOn. They're clearly committed to doing the right thing by offering up an alternative to the prevailing ideological monoculture and are taking some nasty lumps in the process.

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by brainchannels on Thursday, January 08 @ 18:34:18 EST
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    All you have to do is type in Bush Hitler in Google and you come up with a ton of links.

    There is one page dedicated to the best links relating to the evidence of Bush family ties with Hitler's Nazi regime -- relevant. Some of the other links are better than others.

    Check them out:

    Bush's Links to Hitler's Regime (family Nazi ties, etc.)

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by brainchannels on Thursday, January 08 @ 22:22:15 EST
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    Here is a very well done Flash movie that gives a lot of information related to the Bush family's investments in Nazi Germany and in a company named Farber that built 40 concentration camps.

    If that's not a direct Hitler link, I don't know what is!

    Informative Bush/Hitler Flash Movie - on TakeTheMediaBack.com

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      Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
      by rough1 on Thursday, January 08 @ 23:47:54 EST
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      excellent animation, although it moves a bit too fast to take everything in.
      ya need to watch it a couple of times. great work!

      ]


    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by kevstermon on Thursday, January 08 @ 23:20:31 EST
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    George Bush has got a ways to go before he can be compared to Hitler. He's made a good start though.

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by MrTattieHeid on Thursday, January 08 @ 23:29:23 EST
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    So who's being "politically correct" now?

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    Re: Dave Lindorf: 'RNC plays the Hitler card: MoveOn shouldn't apologize for ads' (Score: 1)
    by nemo on Friday, January 09 @ 09:41:40 EST
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    Something else to keep in mind:

    The OSS at the end of WW2 brought Nazi war criminals by the boatload into the US, ostensibly to help the US with the information thay had gathered about the Soviet Union. The name of the plan was Operation Paperclip

    Google search stream: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=operation+paperclip

    This was done at the behest of John Foster Dulles, who later became chief spymaster of the CIA - Poppy Bush's old hangout. You remember Poppy, right? Former head of the CIA? You have to ask how much time Poppy spent shaking hands with these Nazi monsters his family had helped create.

    As can be seen from perusing these sources, there's some argument as to just how helpful these 'friends' actually were...and whose goals they were furthering. It is entirely possible that the inclusion of the 'Gehlen Org' into the intelligence apparatus of the US permanently infected it with the germ of fascism. And that germ seems to have spread outwards from the containment vessel it was supposed to reside in and infected the rest of the body politic. How else to explain some of the monstrous things the US government has done to it's own citizens and others around the world?

    Lie down with Nazi dogs, get up with facsism-infected fleas...any wonder why America feels so sick?

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